PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby cska91 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:33 am

heyfolks wrote:Jurco was mismanaged.

Pulk was never an NHL level talent.


Bingo! This is not a "look, Ken Holland was right about Jurco, who is worthless" story. This is a "Ken Holland fucked up another player's development" story.
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby Scottgaf » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:49 am

I think development can be over assumed.

The guy got to play or practice with, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, and Hossa. At some point, if those guys can't get it out of you, you simply don't have it.

That is a much more likely conclusion, one the Wings made a few years back.
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby heyfolks » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:26 am

Scottgaf wrote:I think development can be over assumed.

The guy got to play or practice with, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, and Hossa. At some point, if those guys can't get it out of you, you simply don't have it.

That is a much more likely conclusion, one the Wings made a few years back.



Bring him up and tell him to leave his stick and playmaking skills in GR. Tell him to check, check, play D and stay high. Give the puck to Z. Pav, etc. Really disliked the way they handled Jurco.
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby Griff21 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:49 am

southfield sam wrote:
Pop Zeus wrote:Keep patting Kenny Holland on the back for waiving sub-million players while he's strangled by Abdelkader, Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Daley and Nielsen while losing one of his best young players to Europe over a few hundred thousand dollars.

Attica and LivoniaTom as assclowns of the first degree.


let's recap. You were 100% wrong about Jurco and Pulks and that makes me an assclown!? Too funny



He FINALLY admitted to what we all knew, he is LIVONIA FUCKING TOM!
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby southfield sam » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:12 pm

Griff21 wrote:
southfield sam wrote:
Pop Zeus wrote:Keep patting Kenny Holland on the back for waiving sub-million players while he's strangled by Abdelkader, Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Daley and Nielsen while losing one of his best young players to Europe over a few hundred thousand dollars.

Attica and LivoniaTom as assclowns of the first degree.


let's recap. You were 100% wrong about Jurco and Pulks and that makes me an assclown!? Too funny



He FINALLY admitted to what we all knew, he is LIVONIA FUCKING TOM!


Seriously? It doesn't take a house to fall on you!!
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby aTTicA » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:17 pm

That was jurcos problem. They tried to take away his skill game and make him cleary 2.0. played him the 4th line alot. They did the same with pulks. Jurco even went as far as to bulk up some to play that role which cost him quickness and made him even less effective.

For all the talk of the wings and over ripe prospects jurco likely could have used another year in gr.

That said heis what he is. A busted prospect that had alot of shit to talk when he left and got very limited time in a scoring role with the hawks then the 4th line. Then waived. The same as here.
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby winged wheel » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:30 pm

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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby Zattaman » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:41 pm

heyfolks wrote:
Scottgaf wrote:I think development can be over assumed.

The guy got to play or practice with, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, and Hossa. At some point, if those guys can't get it out of you, you simply don't have it.

That is a much more likely conclusion, one the Wings made a few years back.



Bring him up and tell him to leave his stick and playmaking skills in GR. Tell him to check, check, play D and stay high. Give the puck to Z. Pav, etc. Really disliked the way they handled Jurco.


Yes, but even on the 4th line he should be able to show that he can think like a top 6 forward.

Problem is, he had trouble with the basics: controlling the puck, passing and making plays, staying on his feet, winning board battles... If he can't do that on the 4th line, he won't be able to do it in the top 6.

You put someone like Mantha on the 4th line and you'll see that he thinks the game on a different level -- where he is on the ice, what he does with the puck, how he passes... etc.

Jurco has minorleaguer written all over him.
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby swedishfive » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:46 pm

Pop Zeus wrote:
Slapper wrote:
southfield sam wrote:
Pop Zeus wrote:Keep patting Kenny Holland on the back for waiving sub-million players while he's strangled by Abdelkader, Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Daley and Nielsen while losing one of his best young players to Europe over a few hundred thousand dollars.

Attica and LivoniaTom as assclowns of the first degree.


let's recap. You were 100% wrong about Jurco and Pulks and that makes me an assclown!? Too funny


When you can make a good argument, you turn to insults. See it a lot in political discussions too


Oh, you thought the title of the thread was a civil way to start the conversation?


pz you acting like this validates the thread title
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Re: PFZ must be sobbing somewhere!!

Postby Slapper » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:00 pm

swedishfive wrote:
Pop Zeus wrote:
Slapper wrote:
southfield sam wrote:
Pop Zeus wrote:Keep patting Kenny Holland on the back for waiving sub-million players while he's strangled by Abdelkader, Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Daley and Nielsen while losing one of his best young players to Europe over a few hundred thousand dollars.

Attica and LivoniaTom as assclowns of the first degree.


let's recap. You were 100% wrong about Jurco and Pulks and that makes me an assclown!? Too funny


When you can make a good argument, you turn to insults. See it a lot in political discussions too


Oh, you thought the title of the thread was a civil way to start the conversation?


pz you acting like this validates the thread title


He’s using the old “he started it” excuse. I remember using that back in the good ole days of 2nd grade
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