VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

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VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby heyfolks » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:19 pm

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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

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IM STILL PISSED ABOUT MY NINERS FIRING JIM HARBAUGH
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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby WingFanInAA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:56 pm

Didn't know you were doing YouTube vides PZ
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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby barbrady » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:40 pm

WingFanInAA wrote:Didn't know you were doing YouTube vides PZ


Let's be real. That video had zero mentions of Holland failing to re-sign Marian Hossa as a cause for their demise. No way in hell PZ did it.
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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby WingFanInAA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:47 pm

barbrady wrote:
WingFanInAA wrote:Didn't know you were doing YouTube vides PZ


Let's be real. That video had zero mentions of Holland failing to re-sign Marian Hossa as a cause for their demise. No way in hell PZ did it.


There was such an opening for it with the Franzen portion too
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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby Kronstantinov » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:50 pm

Holland inherited a great team and won the lottery twice with Eurotwins. The man is a dolt.
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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby barbrady » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:13 pm

Kronstantinov wrote:Holland inherited a great team and won the lottery twice with Eurotwins. The man is a dolt.


Disagree. He did some great things the first 10-11 years of his career as GM. He inherited a great team, and maintained it's greatness through a good combo of trades, free agency, and the draft for a long time. Why doesn't he get some credit for drafting Z and Dats? Only the bad stuff is his fault but the good stuff is because of somebody else? That's stupid.

Holland showed excellent GM skills initially after the lockout, and proved it wasn't all because of pre-cap spending. He made the right decisions with who to cut/keep. He found bargain bin gems like Cleary and Samuelsson to replace them. He brought Osgood back as a cheap back-up which ended up paying off huge. Convinced Shanny to come back on a pretty cheap 1 year deal for the 2006 season. Let Dave Lewis go and brought in Babcock. He made nearly all the right decisions for a few years improving the team to get them to what should have been 2 Cups. Letting Legace go and taking a shot on old man Hasek. Getting rid of Jason Williams. Letting Lang walk. Replacing Schneider with Rafalski. The trade for Brad Stuart. In addition to the Eurotwins, he had drafted some very good players in Hudler, Filppula, Kronwall, and Franzen that were vital to those Cup runs.

Unfortunately that prudence only lasted a handful of years before he started becoming the dolt he is today.

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Re: VIDEO: Decline and Fall of the Red Wings

Postby CoconutBackwards » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:34 am

barbrady wrote:
Kronstantinov wrote:Holland inherited a great team and won the lottery twice with Eurotwins. The man is a dolt.


Disagree. He did some great things the first 10-11 years of his career as GM. He inherited a great team, and maintained it's greatness through a good combo of trades, free agency, and the draft for a long time. Why doesn't he get some credit for drafting Z and Dats? Only the bad stuff is his fault but the good stuff is because of somebody else? That's stupid.

Holland showed excellent GM skills initially after the lockout, and proved it wasn't all because of pre-cap spending. He made the right decisions with who to cut/keep. He found bargain bin gems like Cleary and Samuelsson to replace them. He brought Osgood back as a cheap back-up which ended up paying off huge. Convinced Shanny to come back on a pretty cheap 1 year deal for the 2006 season. Let Dave Lewis go and brought in Babcock. He made nearly all the right decisions for a few years improving the team to get them to what should have been 2 Cups. Letting Legace go and taking a shot on old man Hasek. Getting rid of Jason Williams. Letting Lang walk. Replacing Schneider with Rafalski. The trade for Brad Stuart. In addition to the Eurotwins, he had drafted some very good players in Hudler, Filppula, Kronwall, and Franzen that were vital to those Cup runs.

Unfortunately that prudence only lasted a handful of years before he started becoming the dolt he is today.

You either die/retire a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.


And oh GOD did he ever become the villain.
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Postby Octopus » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:26 pm
It's all playoff-hokej. Get used to it. We have another round a-comin'.

Postby barbrady » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:29 pm
Octo wants to jinx us into blowing another 3-1 series lead.


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