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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby El Jefe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:51 am

cska91 wrote:I understand all that. The point is that there is no good move that Holland can make. His options are:

A. Lose another player for nothing by waiving him. Who are the candidates? Howard? Mrazek? Sheahan?
B. Trade a player for nothing. Once the Wings are over the cap, they have zero leverage in any trade.
C. Hope that someone else gets hurt badly and needs to go on LTIR.

You make it sound like Holland has lots of options when in reality he has no good options and one year in the KHL for AA may actually be the best possible outcome of this mess for all involved.

The Wings keep their assets in hopes they appreciate. AA gets more ice time and exposed to better coaching. Both are good for his development. And Holland gets to save face and appear to be a tough negotiator. And the Wings don't need AA. It helps them go all out for the first overall draft pick and be a definite seller at the deadline.


It's tragic that can't happen in Detroit, but you very well may be right.
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby aTTicA » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:53 pm

Its not like every guy on this team has some or any trade value, and its not like we have any leverage in trade with half of them anyways. Are we really going to cry if witkowski gets waived? Or sproul? Does sproul have any trade value? Will he ever be an nhl player? Id like to see him get more of a shot, but hes got 7 defensemen in front of him and several just behind him.

And im not wishing anyone gets hurt in camp, just accepting the reality that generally we go into opening night with a handful of guys on IR. Its also been noted that going into this season howard is the starter, so if mrazek ends up on LTIR hes probably only missing a start or 2 in 10 games. Which also gives us more time, and increases the trade leverage we never really had to begin with. OR maybe they just eat a mil of mrazeks salary and move him that way as its pretty clear the org has no love for him anymore.

Nobodies arguing that our cap situation is good given the lack of overall talent on the roster. But thats a different conversation. IT wont be difficult at all to free up the money, nor will it have any significant impact on trade value or our future to clear the additional 8 or 900 K to sign AA.

and for all the talk about holland waiving guys and losing them for nothing, none of these guys are sticking anywhere else. In fact almost all of them have gotten waived by the next team as well. These guys simply dont have value.
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby cska91 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:53 pm

Let's say they sign Athanasiou. They also have to call up Bertuzzi, to have a full compliment of forwards. Once they do all that, they will be $6MM over the cap. Let's say they don't call up Bertuzzi and play aforementioned Witkowski on the 4th line. They will still be in excess of $5MM over the cap. If they waive Witkowski, it does nothing because they have to call up Bertuzzi or someone else, in order to have four lines. If they waive Sproul, that's also not enough cap space. Even waiving Ouellet is not enough. They have to move either Glendening or Sheahan, or multiple players to free up enough cap space. And they have to replace every forward they trade or waive. The most likely scenario is trading Sheahan for a song, retaining no salary, calling up Bertuzzi, and sending Franzen to LTIR. Then they will be within the cap.

In other words, representing that finding cap space is as easy as waiving Sproul or Witkowski is a gross oversimplification that has nothing to do with reality. A more significant player has to be moved to fit AA under the cap. Now ask yourself what would Sheahan bring back at the start of the season when all the teams have a full compliment of forwards versus what he could bring back at the trade deadline?

Also, waiving Witkowski is a novel suggestion, considering they just signed him. Why did they sign him? They knew they were in cap hell. For that matter, why did they sign Daley? Helm? Glendening? Nielsen? Why did they give stupid money to Ericsson? Howard? Abdelkader?
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby pokerandpucks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:38 pm

Witkowsi was signed because he played for Blashithead at WMU and he can play wing and d.

I don't blame AA. After you consider taxes he can make more in one year there than the two years that Holland is offering

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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby Pop Zeus » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:52 pm

A2 might make a better name for himself if he plays for Canada at the Olympics and has a great tournament than he would in Blashill's doghouse.
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby Pop Zeus » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:55 pm

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/r ... 632696001/
Russia offering $3M for one year.
Holland lowballed him at $1.25M and then increased to 2Y at $1.9M.
Holland fucked it up with the lowball offer.
Had he offered $1.9M right away, my guess is A2 would have signed around there... maybe $2 or $2.1.
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby El Jefe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:19 pm

Wouldn't that be lovely, to lose the Helm With Hands, and make sure they keep the Helm Without Hands (the real Darren Helm). What a great deal!
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby pokerandpucks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:11 pm

When you re-sign every vet to a deal that's "a little bit too much but it's not too bad" it adds up quick. If Glendening had been signed to a 2 year deal at around $950k they'd probably be OK even with the rest.

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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby savz171 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:20 pm

This is a bluff. I dare AA to go to the khl
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Re: AA To KHL?

Postby winged wheel » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pm

savz171 wrote:This is a bluff. I dare AA to go to the khl


He has no leverage so he's trying to create some. Does he think he'll get a better offer after returning from the KHL?
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