Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby heyfolks » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:27 pm

The most pertinent question revolves around Detroit lifer Henrik Zetterberg. The captain is 35 years old with four more seasons left on his deal after this year. His cap hit is north of $6 million. Now, it would be really cool if Zetterberg finished his career with the only NHL team he’s ever played for, but is that at the end of the contract, or before? He already has a Stanley Cup ring, but if he wants one more, it won’t be in Detroit. And while he leads the Wings in scoring this season, his offensive totals have been trending down for several years and there’s no reason to expect they’ll go up in the future.

Zetterberg can still be a great mentor for the next generation of Red Wings, but the salary cap side of things will only justify that for another season or two, tops.

Long-term deals for Justin Abdelkader, Darren Helm, Jonathan Ericsson, Niklas Kronwall and Frans Nielsen will also have to be dealt with and it won’t be easy, since many of them have no-trade clauses. On the bright side, most of those clauses have caveats. According to Capfriendly.com, Helm’s no-trade clause is nullified if the Wings don’t make the playoffs in 2019, for example. If GM Ken Holland can chip away at those contracts in the next couple seasons, it will help immensely.

But keep in mind; this is a long-term rebuild. By which I mean the Red Wings won’t emerge as a serious threat until 2020, at the earliest.

The most important building blocks have yet to be drafted by Detroit. Assuming the Red Wings land a top-five pick this summer (which is looking pretty good, even though Vegas can’t draft lower than sixth), I’d like to see them take someone with more long-term upside, rather than short-term pop: defenseman Timothy Liljegren comes to mind. Liljegren is already playing against men in Sweden, but as a defenseman and a player who has never skated in a North American league, you’d figure it’s three or four years before he makes a real impact over here, despite how promising he looks.

Detroit’s first round pick in 2016, Dennis Cholowski, is in a similar boat. The smooth-skating defenseman is in his first season at St. Cloud State and based on how raw he was coming in, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him spend all four years (or at least three) with the Huskies. Similarly, Filip Hronek (53rd overall in 2016) is having an excellent season with the OHL’s Saginaw Spirit, averaging a point per game from the blueline. His biggest need is weight and strength, something that will again, come with time. If Hronek, who was drafted out of Europe, goes to the AHL as soon as next year, he can continue to bulk up while adjusting to heavier competition. If the young Czech struggles at first, it’s fine. Three years in the AHL isn’t a condemnation. And the same could be said about Vili Saarijarvi, currently with OHL Mississauga.



Without a RADICAL change in strategy this team won't be great again for a long time.
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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby pokerandpucks » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:02 pm

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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby Octopus » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:12 pm

heyfolks wrote:The only trade was the Joe for Little Caesar.


That's a start. I was hoping for a franchise-building center like Yzerman, coupled with a cornerstone d-man like Lidstrom or Konstantinov, but I'll settle for a new building and a fresh start. The last time we had a fresh new building, the new owner started filling it with new hopes and dreams. That can happen again. Not overnight, but in the next five years. Now all we need is that new owner, with the same zest for winning that Ilitch possessed. And the smarts to hire the right people (Yzerman) to build the new beast.
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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby Octopus » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:28 pm

For the official record, I know the Wings are DOOMED for the next few years, and I've known this shit was coming for a long time. It's Basic Reality 101, and all of us veteran fans have known the dynastic-type streak was going to be over after the HOF class retired. Dats and Z were a very welcome surprise, coming so late in the draft, but they were outliers. We all knew there was going to be a period of suffering once the superstars aged out, and it's here now. Sorry, kids -- you got to miss out on the Dead Things Era that followed the brilliance of the early Gordie Howe/Production Line greatness, but now you have to deal with the Dead Cat Bounce. There's no buying your way out of this one, in the awful Canadian Socialist Cap-Era, so just learn to be patient.

Blaming Holland is the easy thing, but it's WAY more complicated than that. For instance, more than one Wings alumni has stated that playing for the mean old Mike Babcock kept a few superstars off our roster, after the infernal communist cap-era began. He's a bastard to play for, they say, but look at how the Leafs have rebounded under his reign, and the Ducks and Wings before them. Uncanny? Or is he just a great coach? Or is it a complicated issue, too many-faceted for most half-bright NHL fans to ponder? Stupid people with no experience coaching or managing at any level will be happy to expound on the issue. Scoop?
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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby PrimeauDonna » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:16 am

Octopus wrote:Stupid people with no experience coaching or managing at any level will be happy to expound on the issue. Scoop?

you called?

here's the deal with the storied "greatness" of mikey-mike and the babby cock:

> zesty teams built up rosters destined for great things
> they needed some banner to fly on their erect poles
> a new coach does that, and mikey-mike, baby cock, got lucky
> and did he ever get lucky....
> you see, every time he goes through this cycle, it pads his resume / portfolio
> but he "wears out his welcome" (people realize he's a hack and cut him loose)

so while i think the babby cock man is a great entertainer, he's just too saucy for my gizzards if you get my gist.

and between he and holland and their strange love affair, particularly with the glendennies and the ablecadavers, they ran this team into the ground. piss-poor coaching. piss-poor management (even for a pissman). the clusterpiss is this decade's urinal dystopic psychodrama. it's the new horror film nobody is talking about because it's oveproduced, shallow and pointlessly unnecessary.

this team was offered the caesarian cut, and they dog'd my boy for rasmussen. how many times now? last pick i was truly excited about was grigorenko. wings should've had mcdavid, but captain gun-shy and the flaccid brigade yellowed out on the full-fledged rebuild this team needed, desperately as pnp's mother on a saturday night.

i'm tired though, boys. i'm tired. i can't get excited about this team's "recent" past, present or future anymore. i'm no fairweather fan - i'll be watching the games and throwing tartar sauce at my tele, but i won't be stroking no porcupines come playoff time.

ah hell no you know maybe i'll tag TS Quint and cheer the jets on this year.
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Re: Hockey News: Wings Must Start Rebuild

Postby heyfolks » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:32 pm

Octo goes away and comes back during the slowest month of the year.

- just saying
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